Comments on: “Wonderful Testimony of Obedience” http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/ We're NOT Anti-Mormon -- We're Pro-Liberty! About Prop 8, and ganging up on Gay & Lesbian rights. Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:02:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Sheri Lawson http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-282 Sheri Lawson Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:17:27 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-282 I am doing my best to be nice, which is really difficult knowing what I know. So here goes. I won't relate my whole story again, it can be found on the article titled Mind Control and Mormonism. But for those who won't see it, I'm a straight mom and grandma, 24 year temple recommend holding woman. I no longer consider myself a Mormon beginning in 2000 over the blatant discrimination and persecution targeting the homosexual community, justified in part, I believe, because of the churches fear of losing money e.g tax exempt status. Where's the faith in that? But money is more important than loving gentle homosexual sons and daughters of God having equality and feeling a part of society. What the church has done to them is almost unforgivable. This article Wonderful Testimony of Obedience, makes my heart sink. I don't tithe to the church, I do give to other charitable organizations that I believe are striving to help our planet and her people, but I don't attend church, go to the temple, and I even drink on occasion. Why is it that my husband and I continue to be blessed with abundance? Mormon's do not have the market on blessings and it's one of the things that angers me about their doctrine. They are subliminally lead to believe that it's only through their obedience to the gospel that they will be blessed. I am far more blessed now than I ever was when I was an active member. I'd really like to know if the author of this article had a Mormon Mortgage banker or Realtor, hence the coincidence of money donated to help persecute homosexuals, and the next day their loan going through. It reminds me of Glenn Beck's story of the day after he was baptized into the church he landed his dream job. Mormons do control a huge amount of media and other things, so perhaps some of the coincidences aren't just coincidences after all. I am doing my best to be nice, which is really difficult knowing what I know. So here goes. I won’t relate my whole story again, it can be found on the article titled Mind Control and Mormonism. But for those who won’t see it, I’m a straight mom and grandma, 24 year temple recommend holding woman. I no longer consider myself a Mormon beginning in 2000 over the blatant discrimination and persecution targeting the homosexual community, justified in part, I believe, because of the churches fear of losing money e.g tax exempt status. Where’s the faith in that? But money is more important than loving gentle homosexual sons and daughters of God having equality and feeling a part of society. What the church has done to them is almost unforgivable.

This article Wonderful Testimony of Obedience, makes my heart sink. I don’t tithe to the church, I do give to other charitable organizations that I believe are striving to help our planet and her people, but I don’t attend church, go to the temple, and I even drink on occasion. Why is it that my husband and I continue to be blessed with abundance? Mormon’s do not have the market on blessings and it’s one of the things that angers me about their doctrine. They are subliminally lead to believe that it’s only through their obedience to the gospel that they will be blessed. I am far more blessed now than I ever was when I was an active member.

I’d really like to know if the author of this article had a Mormon Mortgage banker or Realtor, hence the coincidence of money donated to help persecute homosexuals, and the next day their loan going through. It reminds me of Glenn Beck’s story of the day after he was baptized into the church he landed his dream job. Mormons do control a huge amount of media and other things, so perhaps some of the coincidences aren’t just coincidences after all.

]]> By: admin http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-171 admin Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:55:37 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-171 Lisa, the mountain is the pile of cash that resulted from the Mormon leadership call to members. It's the deep involvement of the church. You can quibble about the details, but there is no argument about the end result: an attack on gays and lesbians led by the Mormon church. Please see my post "latter-day army" on this site. Lisa, the mountain is the pile of cash that resulted from the Mormon leadership call to members. It’s the deep involvement of the church. You can quibble about the details, but there is no argument about the end result: an attack on gays and lesbians led by the Mormon church. Please see my post “latter-day army” on this site.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-159 Lisa Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:46:21 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-159 Good grief.....No one from the Mormon church told me how much to donate or for that matter even knew if I did donate to Prop 8. No one knew if I participated in anyway either unless they were there with me. Those who have nothing better to do continue to make mountains out of molehills. Good grief…..No one from the Mormon church told me how much to donate or for that matter even knew if I did donate to Prop 8. No one knew if I participated in anyway either unless they were there with me. Those who have nothing better to do continue to make mountains out of molehills.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-158 Lisa Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:43:48 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-158 Good grief....No one from the Mormon church told me an amount to donate or told me I had to participate. In fact, no one even knew if I did donate or particiate. It seems like people who have nothing better to do are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Good grief….No one from the Mormon church told me an amount to donate or told me I had to participate. In fact, no one even knew if I did donate or particiate. It seems like people who have nothing better to do are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

]]> By: Timeline of Mormon Involvement in Prop 8 | Stop The Mormons http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-118 Timeline of Mormon Involvement in Prop 8 | Stop The Mormons Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:27:47 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-118 [...] 7: A Mormon blogger on nine-moons.com reports that the previous night he had a call from his Stake President, a high level regional Mormon leader [...] [...] 7: A Mormon blogger on nine-moons.com reports that the previous night he had a call from his Stake President, a high level regional Mormon leader [...]

]]> By: sam http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-105 sam Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:51:13 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-105 David T, I read your entire blog (with comments) so this isn't taking anything out of context. It has to be one of the creepiest things I've ever found on the internet. Change the Mormon church to the Taliban and the geography from California to Afghanistan and I think even you will see why. Your church looked up your financials to assign you a donation?!? That makes it, by definition, no longer a donation. It is simply blackmail. By paying the thugs off and writing what you wrote, you either broke, or enabled the breaking of 4 of the 10 commandments as well as the golden rule (1. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God, 2. You shall not steal (your neighbors marriage), 3. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, 3. You shall not covet anything that belongs (including his marriage) to your neighbor). In case you missed any of the commercials your church made, they were deeply dishonest to play to people's fear of the unknown. To attribute what you did to God, is beyond revolting, even to many other Mormons that posted comments on your own blog. Doesn't that clue you in even a tiny bit about how the rest of the world's going to see it? David T, I read your entire blog (with comments) so this isn’t taking anything out of context. It has to be one of the creepiest things I’ve ever found on the internet. Change the Mormon church to the Taliban and the geography from California to Afghanistan and I think even you will see why.

Your church looked up your financials to assign you a donation?!? That makes it, by definition, no longer a donation. It is simply blackmail. By paying the thugs off and writing what you wrote, you either broke, or enabled the breaking of 4 of the 10 commandments as well as the golden rule (1. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God, 2. You shall not steal (your neighbors marriage), 3. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, 3. You shall not covet anything that belongs (including his marriage) to your neighbor). In case you missed any of the commercials your church made, they were deeply dishonest to play to people’s fear of the unknown.

To attribute what you did to God, is beyond revolting, even to many other Mormons that posted comments on your own blog. Doesn’t that clue you in even a tiny bit about how the rest of the world’s going to see it?

]]> By: Mind Control & Mormonism | Stop The Mormons http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-80 Mind Control & Mormonism | Stop The Mormons Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:03:35 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-80 [...] Again, this is my initial post on the topic and I plan to come back to add more information to my argument.  For now, please see my related posting: “Wonderful Testimony of Obedience” [...] [...] Again, this is my initial post on the topic and I plan to come back to add more information to my argument.  For now, please see my related posting: “Wonderful Testimony of Obedience” [...]

]]> By: FormerMormon http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-15 FormerMormon Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:02:03 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-15 The campaign tore at least one family apart. My former wife was very pleased with her decision to 'follow the prophet', and tells me the experience was 'very uplifting'...even though she no longer has a husband. The suggestion from the prophet outweighed the discussions of history and social impact I had with her. I don't know how that works, but we each had to decide which was more important to us and obviously, we both agreed that other people's marriages were more important than our own. It's for the best, though...I suppose. *sigh* The campaign tore at least one family apart.

My former wife was very pleased with her decision to ‘follow the prophet’, and tells me the experience was ‘very uplifting’…even though she no longer has a husband. The suggestion from the prophet outweighed the discussions of history and social impact I had with her.

I don’t know how that works, but we each had to decide which was more important to us and obviously, we both agreed that other people’s marriages were more important than our own.

It’s for the best, though…I suppose. *sigh*

]]> By: Navi http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-12 Navi Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:48:19 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-12 Thanks for all the input about the Mormon Church involvement on Prop 8. For those of you who complaint and threating to leave the church. You need to sit back and look around. If you were an active member of the church you would not complaint. Everything about the Prop 8 was entiring voluntarily. The church did not force the members to go out and donate or participate in the rally's. Stop wining, accept the fact that it pass. One last thing you think leaving the church, will hurt it's repatution or bring it down. Mormon church had faced many perscution, and this is not the biggest it is one of the least. So face it we won it. You are only harming yourself. All who vote "No for Prop 8 stop the trauma and get on with life. Thanks for all the input about the Mormon Church involvement on Prop 8. For those of you who complaint and threating to leave the church. You need to sit back and look around. If you were an active member of the church you would not complaint. Everything about the Prop 8 was entiring voluntarily. The church did not force the members to go out and donate or participate in the rally’s. Stop wining, accept the fact that it pass. One last thing you think leaving the church, will hurt it’s repatution or bring it down. Mormon church had faced many perscution, and this is not the biggest it is one of the least. So face it we won it. You are only harming yourself. All who vote “No for Prop 8 stop the trauma and get on with life.

]]> By: admin http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/13/wonderful-testimony-of-obedience/#comment-3 admin Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:58:15 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=13#comment-3 Thanks for your comments. I included a link to the full post so people could read it in context and I think the headline conveys that it was a positive experience for you. As a mormon until this past sunday, and with many mormon family members, I feel that I'm being quite fair in pointing out the church involvement in this. I certainly don't think that I'm trying to demonize my family. We all know that the church was a huge force behind this so I don't think there is anything unfair in calling peoples attention to this. Everyone should be afraid when one group can come in and make their religious views the law of the land, and that's almost what happened here. Would the proposition been passed without the huge effort ordered by the church? I think you'd have to agree that most likely it would NOT have passed. You said it yourself: when the church asks you to do something, you really can't say no. As a former member, I know exactly what you mean, and what the result of this was. I'm just trying to help the general public understand. Thanks for your comments. I included a link to the full post so people could read it in context and I think the headline conveys that it was a positive experience for you.

As a mormon until this past sunday, and with many mormon family members, I feel that I’m being quite fair in pointing out the church involvement in this. I certainly don’t think that I’m trying to demonize my family. We all know that the church was a huge force behind this so I don’t think there is anything unfair in calling peoples attention to this. Everyone should be afraid when one group can come in and make their religious views the law of the land, and that’s almost what happened here. Would the proposition been passed without the huge effort ordered by the church? I think you’d have to agree that most likely it would NOT have passed.

You said it yourself: when the church asks you to do something, you really can’t say no. As a former member, I know exactly what you mean, and what the result of this was. I’m just trying to help the general public understand.

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