Comments on: We Can Thank The Mormons… Seriously http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/23/we-can-thank-the-mormons-seriously/ We're NOT Anti-Mormon -- We're Pro-Liberty! About Prop 8, and ganging up on Gay & Lesbian rights. Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:02:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: sam http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/23/we-can-thank-the-mormons-seriously/#comment-71 sam Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:43:02 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=339#comment-71 I agree, but if we do have to put this up for a vote again, we need to make sure that a ballot measure that would outlaw any marriage that "an independent officer of the court" is not welcome to observe as illegal. People may object, but this doesn't outlaw Mormon marriage. That said, you can rest assured of their objections as marriages in their temples (and perhaps some other religious marriages, I don't know of any common ones where non-members are not allowed to attend but could be wrong) would no longer be legally binding. Mormons would be forced to focus their efforts fighting this proposition instead of the one reversing prop 8. As personally satisfying as a ban on Mormon marriage may be, this is not it. It is better. Mormons could continue marrying in their temples if they wished but then would need a civil marriage (OR A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP ... THEY ARE THE SAME RIGHT MORMONS?!?) if they wanted legal rights with their marriage. There are multiple upsides to this. 1. Such a marriage law would indeed protect women and children from the abuses they have suffered under some religious marriage contracts. 2. Mormons will have to see marriage as both a civil and a religious contract. 3. Hopefully, it will help all fair minded people see that we want equal CIVIL rights not equal RELIGIOUS rights. I agree, but if we do have to put this up for a vote again, we need to make sure that a ballot measure that would outlaw any marriage that “an independent officer of the court” is not welcome to observe as illegal.

People may object, but this doesn’t outlaw Mormon marriage. That said, you can rest assured of their objections as marriages in their temples (and perhaps some other religious marriages, I don’t know of any common ones where non-members are not allowed to attend but could be wrong) would no longer be legally binding. Mormons would be forced to focus their efforts fighting this proposition instead of the one reversing prop 8.

As personally satisfying as a ban on Mormon marriage may be, this is not it. It is better. Mormons could continue marrying in their temples if they wished but then would need a civil marriage (OR A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP … THEY ARE THE SAME RIGHT MORMONS?!?) if they wanted legal rights with their marriage. There are multiple upsides to this. 1. Such a marriage law would indeed protect women and children from the abuses they have suffered under some religious marriage contracts. 2. Mormons will have to see marriage as both a civil and a religious contract. 3. Hopefully, it will help all fair minded people see that we want equal CIVIL rights not equal RELIGIOUS rights.

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