Comments on: Prop Family: Behind the Massachusetts Claims http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/ We're NOT Anti-Mormon -- We're Pro-Liberty! About Prop 8, and ganging up on Gay & Lesbian rights. Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:02:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: mormonWHY http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-257 mormonWHY Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:06:59 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-257 Former marriage opponent regrets past, now supports equality - Debi Hartmann's fascinating interview this week - "Asked if she believes any single religion has the right to impose its beliefs unto the constitution of a secular government, Hartmann said, "I thought that having civil unions and having marriage was the perfect answer to that question, as long as all rights are provided. I absolutely believed that up until last year when I read the California Supreme Court's ruling." The court ruling was the turning point for Hartmann on marriage equality. "It crushed my beliefs," explained Hartmann. "It taught me that words can be invidious. For example, if you and I had to walk into a doctor's office and they ask us to fill out a form and you have to check 'civil union' and I check 'marriage,' that's the invidious discrimination. The same rights have to be called by the same name. That's the answer to removing the religion from our laws."" http://ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=3710 The infamous 1997 internal LDS "Ballard" memo mentioned in article - in this memo, Mormon elders outline an insidious strategy to deceive Hawaiian voters, media and legislators - authenticated by Kim Farah, LDS spokeswoman. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mormon20anti-gay20game20plan201997-2008.pdf Former marriage opponent regrets past, now supports equality -

Debi Hartmann’s fascinating interview this week -

“Asked if she believes any single religion has the right to impose its
beliefs unto the constitution of a secular government, Hartmann said,
“I thought that having civil unions and having marriage was the
perfect answer to that question, as long as all rights are provided. I
absolutely believed that up until last year when I read the California
Supreme Court’s ruling.”

The court ruling was the turning point for Hartmann on marriage equality.

“It crushed my beliefs,” explained Hartmann. “It taught me that words
can be invidious. For example, if you and I had to walk into a
doctor’s office and they ask us to fill out a form and you have to
check ‘civil union’ and I check ‘marriage,’ that’s the invidious
discrimination. The same rights have to be called by the same name.
That’s the answer to removing the religion from our laws.”"

http://ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=3710

The infamous 1997 internal LDS “Ballard” memo mentioned in article -
in this memo, Mormon elders outline an insidious strategy to deceive
Hawaiian voters, media
and legislators – authenticated by Kim Farah, LDS spokeswoman.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mormon20anti-gay20game20plan201997-2008.pdf

]]> By: mormonPOLYGAMISTlover http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-252 mormonPOLYGAMISTlover Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:11:35 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-252 Sorry --- I meant the Hawaii Supreme Court! lol. Sorry — I meant the Hawaii Supreme Court! lol.

]]> By: mormonPOLYGAMISTlover http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-251 mormonPOLYGAMISTlover Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:10:44 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-251 On May 3, 1993, the day the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the state had no compelling reason to deny same-sex couples the right to marry, Mormon Elder Packer gave a speech in which he said there were three major social issues that presented "the greatest danger to Mormons." Homosexuality was the first. But the other two were "feminism and intellectuals." Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know, not about Mormons necessarily, but about the leadership of the Mormon Church. Equality for women and intelligent people are the "greatest dangers" to them. That says cult to me. I can't believe how close they got to getting a Mormon into the White House! Beware Romney! His internal pollster was Dick Wirthlin (mentioned in this very story!) On May 3, 1993, the day the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the state had no compelling reason to deny same-sex couples the right to marry, Mormon Elder Packer gave a speech in which he said there were three major social issues that presented “the greatest danger to Mormons.” Homosexuality was the first. But the other two were “feminism and intellectuals.” Doesn’t that tell you everything you need to know, not about Mormons necessarily, but about the leadership of the Mormon Church. Equality for women and intelligent people are the “greatest dangers” to them. That says cult to me. I can’t believe how close they got to getting a Mormon into the White House! Beware Romney! His internal pollster was Dick Wirthlin (mentioned in this very story!)

]]> By: mormonPOLYGAMISTlover http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-137 mormonPOLYGAMISTlover Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:49:37 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-137 Amazing to learn how long and how intently the Mormons have been involved in fighting the same-sex marriage equality issue. If the LDS church has gone from being known as the practicers of polygamist marriage to the protectors of traditional marriage, wiping away 150 years of a polygamist cult stigma for only $40 million dollars, then I say it was money well-spent. The strategy may be insidious, but you have to give them credit. No one’s talking about how half the girls at the LDS polygamist texas ranch were impregnated by church elders or Warren Jeff’s pedophilic acts. They’re talking same-sex marriage. The Catholics would do well to copy the Mormon insidious playbook. Amazing to learn how long and how intently the Mormons have been involved in fighting the same-sex marriage equality issue. If the LDS church has gone from being known as the practicers of polygamist marriage to the protectors of traditional marriage, wiping away 150 years of a polygamist cult stigma for only $40 million dollars, then I say it was money well-spent. The strategy may be insidious, but you have to give them credit. No one’s talking about how half the girls at the LDS polygamist texas ranch were impregnated by church elders or Warren Jeff’s pedophilic acts. They’re talking same-sex marriage. The Catholics would do well to copy the Mormon insidious playbook.

]]> By: Mormon Involvement Was Early and Deep | Stop The Mormons http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-120 Mormon Involvement Was Early and Deep | Stop The Mormons Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:43:00 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-120 [...] October 20: ProtectMarriage is running new ads starring a Mormon power couple, the Wirthlins, with a famous name and high ranking relatives in the Mormon church (which is not discovered by the public until later). Their story, one of the most powerful scare tactics used in the Prop 8 campaign, is later reported on with their credibility called into question by some neighbors who suspect they went looking for this battle. [...] [...] October 20: ProtectMarriage is running new ads starring a Mormon power couple, the Wirthlins, with a famous name and high ranking relatives in the Mormon church (which is not discovered by the public until later). Their story, one of the most powerful scare tactics used in the Prop 8 campaign, is later reported on with their credibility called into question by some neighbors who suspect they went looking for this battle. [...]

]]> By: admin http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-119 admin Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:49:26 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-119 I've just found another Wirthlin in a VERY high ranking position in the church. Interesting. I need to do more research as to the connection, if any. This seems like a very strong possible connection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_B._Wirthlin OOPS: Looks like this has already been covered on Chino Blanco's blog, among other places. My head is going to explode trying to keep all these crazy stories. I'm SHOCKED at how high profile the Wirthlin name is in the mormon church. I’ve just found another Wirthlin in a VERY high ranking position in the church. Interesting. I need to do more research as to the connection, if any. This seems like a very strong possible connection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_B._Wirthlin

OOPS: Looks like this has already been covered on Chino Blanco’s blog, among other places. My head is going to explode trying to keep all these crazy stories. I’m SHOCKED at how high profile the Wirthlin name is in the mormon church.

]]> By: Chino Blanco http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-106 Chino Blanco Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:54:57 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-106 Next time around, I hope we respond to families like the Wirthlins with messages from our own families. And before the next round begins, I hope we might implement ideas like this: Meet our Families Day http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8437 Best idea I've heard in a while, imho. Next time around, I hope we respond to families like the Wirthlins with messages from our own families.

And before the next round begins, I hope we might implement ideas like this:

Meet our Families Day

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8437

Best idea I’ve heard in a while, imho.

]]> By: Sam http://www.stopthemormons.com/2008/11/27/prop-family-behind-the-massachusetts-claims/#comment-92 Sam Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:51:11 +0000 http://www.stopthemormons.com/?p=465#comment-92 People have no idea how insidious and powerful this "religion" is. It has almost 100% control over their members, who will denigrate their own family members if asked by their "prophet." They make Scientology look like good clean fun. People have no idea how insidious and powerful this “religion” is. It has almost 100% control over their members, who will denigrate their own family members if asked by their “prophet.” They make Scientology look like good clean fun.

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