Latter-Day Army: Details of Mormons & Prop 8

Posted on 30 November 2008 by admin

I decided to start a project to try to put together a timeline with details about Mormon church involvement in Prop 8 and gay marriage, using news reports, blog postings and other information to try to paint a picture of what was going on inside the Mormon church. This was without question a highly involved campaign at all levels of the church, not simply the random free efforts of Mormon church members.

Some Background

March 1997: Leaked memo provides insight into the late LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley’s strategy for opposing same-sex marriage. It describes a meeting in which Hinckley gives the go ahead, but urged caution. According to the memo, “he (President Hinckley) also said the (LDS) Church should be in a coalition and not out front by itself.” Also names Dick Wirthlin, who is related to Massachusetts couple in Prop 8 ads, as strategist.

October 1998: Of the $600,000 used to try to ban gay marriage in Alaska, $500,000 came from one big lump sum donation from the Mormon Church. It seems that they learned that they should have their members give the money in the future to avoid criticism.

September 2007:  Mitt Romney, in an interview with Christianity Today, describes an earlier 2007 Salt Lake City meeting between Jerry Falwell and Gordon B. Hinckley to discuss their cooperation on a campaign against same-sex marriage in California.

February 2008:  Mormon-supported National Organization for Marriage (NOM) makes their first reported payment to Bader & Associates, the signature-gathering firm hired to help get Prop 8 on the ballot. Due to its sizeable early financial support of ProtectMarriage, NOM is chiefly responsible for the qualification of Proposition 8. Matthew Holland, son of LDS Apostle and former BYU president Jeffrey R. Holland, is on the board of directors. There are many Mormon donors to NOM that have not been identified because the focus has been on the ProtectMarriage committee.

May/June: The New York Times reports about this time in retrospect: “First approached by the Roman Catholic archbishop of San Francisco a few weeks after the California Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in May, the Mormons were the last major religious group to join the campaign, and the final spice in an unusual stew that included Catholics, evangelical Christians, conservative black and Latino pastors, and myriad smaller ethnic groups with strong religious ties.”

Come Follow Me

June 29: A highly unusual letter from Mormon leadership was read from the pulpits in California (although it was leaked and posted on websites several days prior). It stated in part: “We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman.” To most Mormons, a call such as this from their Prophet is the same as being called of God.

July 1: A letter later reports some of Mormon efforts during the coming month. “Congregations of LDS all having been taught the doctrine in July so that they may see the importance of fundraising and grassroots participation. Some Stakes have called all Stake Council and wives as well as several folks who may be able to contribute not on the Council. The Stake President, in that Cottage Meeting, has asked for their support. A great part of a fund raising effort, accomplished in one night.”

July 7: Mormon Gary Lawrence, the California “LDS Grassroots Director” for Prop 8 and father of a gay son, wrote in the online LDS oriented Meridian Magazine and compared opponents of Proposition 8 to those who sided with Lucifer against Jesus in a pre-mortal battle that is part of Mormon doctrine. His son later resigns from the church.

July 27: Top Mormon leaders participate in a meeting with “eight Area Directors in Northern California. These are amazingly powerful people. The Area folks represent the grassroots effort for the passage of the Proposition and their responsibility overlays each Coordinating Council. This was a great and powerful meeting. I assure you that the LDS folks who work closely with or who are on the Board directly of the coalition are very impressive and politically experienced folks.” (ref)

July 28: Letter sent out to Mormon Stake (regional) Presidents to explain the structure they would be operating under along with other information that arose out of the previous day leadership meeting. “The Brethren have felt that the best way to organize and pass the Proposition is to have an Ecclesiastical arm and a Grassroots arm to organization.” (See the letter here)

July 30: Member of LDS church states on blog, “I simply can’t bear another Sunday of political announcements, talks, and constant references to the proposition in Relief Society lessons.”

July 31: A few Mormon church members around the Internet have been wondering how “worthy” they would be if they don’t fall into line.

August 1: “All Regional Directors have been called and contacted by Area Directors for training.” (ref)

August 3: “Training of Regional Directors commences by the Area Directors.” (ref)

August 6:  whatisprop8.com is registered and a site is launched by Mormon Kenny McNett where he teaches young Mormons how to spam blogs. He later is featured in the following video producted by the Mormon church, however the church is accused of not reporting contributions such as these production and video distribution efforts.

Giving is Godly

August 7: Local Mormon leaders continue soliciting donations.  A Mormon blogger on nine-moons.com reports that the previous night he had a call from his Stake President, a high level regional Mormon leader over multiple local congregations. “We knew it was going to be about California’s Proposition 8 – that’s all the stake’s been talking about for the past month.” The leader asked “about making a contribution– a rather sizable contribution. He already had a figure in mind.” The blogger made the donation the next morning, and an hour later their realtor called to say that they got the dream house they had made an offer on. The blogger called this “an amazing testimony of obedience” in his post.

August 8: Sophia comments on nine-moons.com (see Aug 7): “My father in law is a bishop in Southern CA. For those of you who want to know how much a family is expected to give to Prop 8 in his stake, it’s $1000. A rich ward is expected to be able to come up with about $150,000 for Prop 8.”

August 8: Tim says on nine-moons: “I think the majority are in line with the prophets and apostles on this one. Those who hold temple recommends have acknowledged that they support the general and local authorities of the church. Like me, they will be walking neighborhoods asking others what they think and sharing information.”

August 9: An article written by Glen Greener, a Mormon with a controversial past (“citygate”) in Salt Lake City government, and posted to the Mormon oriented Meridian Magazine website, claimed nine consequences if proposition 8 fails. The questionable claims in the writing are soon edited and distributed by Mormons in the campaign.

August 10: “Zip Code Supervisors are in place and are to be trained by Regional Directors.” (ref)

Wow, Great Knockers!

August 16: If there is one thing that Mormons are known for, it’s knocking on doors. “The First of three Saturday precinct walks are to be held under the direction of the Regional Directors.” (ref) Jeff Flint, a strategist with Protect Marriage, spoke about this period after the campaign, estimating that Mormons made up 80 percent to 90 percent of the early volunteers who walked door-to-door in election precincts.

August 17: A somewhat mysterious and hard to decipher group called the Eagle Foundation joins the Prop 8 forces. It apparently is the evolution of the Eagle PAC which was formed to get Mormons financially involved in politics. One of the main players in Eagle, Bart Marcois, founded and chaired the RNC Advisory Council on LDS Outreach, and was responsible for massive volunteer surge team deployments nationwide in the 2004 and 2006 campaign cycles. He apparently used his talent for grass-root Mormon organizing for the Prop 8 campaign.  The Prop 8 campaign reportedly paid Eagle $130,000 in October.

August 19: The controversial authors name is stripped from “nine consequences” and an anonymous document, called “Six Consequences if Prop. 8 Fails” begins circulating the internet, mostly on Mormon-related blogs.  The document was filled with dishonest claims that are later rebutted for the few who would listen. Some blogs reference that it was provided by Mormon Gary Lawrence, the California “LDS Grassroots Director” for Prop 8 (see July 7). “Six Consequences” also starts to become widely available within Mormon congregations and as handouts during canvassing.

August 23: The second Saturday of walking and canvassing occurs in precincts.  The ‘six consequences’ are mentioned in the news reports that followed – the LDS canvassers were carrying copies of the questionable “Six Consequences” with them door-to-door.

August 27: MormonsFor8.com is registered by a private individual and launches as a clearinghouse for information about tracking the exploding Mormon contributions for Prop 8.

Meet Sonja Eddings Brown

September 1: Sometime in September, Sonja Eddings Brown, a Mormon, is hired by ProtectMarriage and becomes the chief spokesperson for the campaign. According to a bio provided on her husbands website, “Sonja has served as a news media specialist for the Church in Southern California, but is now on leave from that assignment.” On a side note, a student who came to know her some time ago found her to be rather unpleasant.

September 4: Fundraising calls by top church officials to high profile Mormons were already underway, according to the former president of Clorox in a Wall Street Journal story. He was invited to participate in a conference call of 40 to 60 potential donors, led by a high church official, known as a member of the Quorum of Seventy, where he was asked to make a $25,000 donation. The donation was recorded on September 4. The call likely occurred between this date and August 21, when his unsolicited donation of $3,000 was recorded.

September 7: Continued reports of much Prop 8 activity in Mormon churches. A blog reports that members were getting up to speak about it in testimony meeting, which is the type of church service held the first Sunday of the month.  Someone comments on the blog, “It is mentioned in every meeting, donation sheets are passed around in RS and there are pleas for donations and volunteers in the announcements as well as impromptu testimonies during classes. It is EVERYWHERE!!!!”

September 11: Mormon leadership issues letter to be read in all congregations in the U.S. stating the church “affirms its constitutional right of expression on political and social issues.”

Thou Shalt Not Question

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September 11: Mormon Bishop, at the direction of higher authorities, visits home of a church member who set up a website opposing the church position on Prop 8, and asks for resignation before threatening excommunication.

September 15: MormonsFor8.com reports: “As of  5:00 PM PST, Sept 15, 35% of all donors to protectmarriage.com are identified as Mormons, and their total contributions make up 29% of the total money donated. The percentages are growing everyday. Please help out by checking the list to see if you can identify any other Mormon donors.”

September 20: The Wall Street Journal reports in an article: “The Mormon Church encouraged its members to send their donations to a separate post-office box set up by a church member, said Messrs. Schubert and L. Whitney Clayton, a senior Mormon Church official involved in the campaign. Mr. Clayton said the church didn’t keep track of how much individual Mormons donated, just the cumulative total. He said members bundled the donations and forwarded them to the campaign.”

September 20: Wall Street Journal also reported, “The tally of Mormon contributions was provided by Frank Schubert, campaign manager for ProtectMarriage.com — Yes on 8, the initiative’s primary backer. A finance-tracking group corroborated Mormon fund-raising dominance, saying it could exceed 40%.”

September 22: Plans for “One million signs will be put up in yards around the state at 7:00am” (ref) did not come through. Apparently the Yes on 8 folks didn’t buy American. An email from Gina Downey, the producer of a cult hit Mormon film GODS ARMY said: “The YES on Prop 8 yard signs have been delayed in route from China.”

September 23:  LDS Church Prop 8 campaign strategy “update” memo surfaces at WikiLeaks.

September 28: MormonsFor8.com reports that Mormon donations make up the largest group of donors to Prop 8 at 40.4% of contributions.

September 29: ProtectMarriage runs first television ad with Mormon professor from Pepperdine University making false claims that teaching gay marriage in schools was a certainty, causing problems for the school in the process. The campaign later continues using the Pepperdine name despite objections from the school. 

September 30: According to data filed with the secretary of state’s office, ProtectMarriage.com, the main group backing Prop 8, had raised about $25.4 million. No on 8, Equality for All – the main group opposing the measure – had raised almost $15.8 million. Yes on 8 was flush with a cash balance of about $12.8 million, due by large measure to Mormon contributions, while No on 8 had approximately $1.8 million.

October 1: Mormon church registers the domain preservingmarriage.org and launches a site with material to support the campaign. Questions are later raised questioning if the church reported non-monetary contributions such as this to the State of California, leading to an official investigation.

October 6: Mormon blogs about “zealousness” about Prop 8 within Mormon congregations and says ”many bishops and other Mormons have circulated the document ‘Six Consequences if Proposition 8 fails’” and expresses distress about the honesty of the claims.

October 7: “Ryan” who lives in Utah posts comment to blog and states he was in a propaganda video shot by the Mormon church with LDS leader Elder Bednar. He also says, “I live in Utah (though I’m from California) and the church has asked my stake to have 250 member ready to man a call center on the subject.”

Go Forth & Blog


October 8: Top Mormon leaders made a televised satellite broadcast appeal to church members (view the transcript) to step up their already considerable efforts. They asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours per week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.

October 8: The Associated Press reported that “Mormons Recruit Out-of-State for Gay Marriage Ban. Mormons living outside California have been asked to volunteer for a telephone campaign to help pass a ballot initiative banning same-sex marriage in the state.”

October 8: No on 8 makes plea for $10 million in donations saying “our lead is gone” in an attempt to recover ground due in no small part to massive giving by Mormons.

October 12: Mormons distributing Yes on 8 signs from at least one church parking lot to cars leaving Sunday church services.

October 12: Mormon Jyl Holiday makes comment on blog that in her congregation “they have us knocking doors to warn people about it. Calling like telemarketers, and EVERY talk is about Prop 8, every RS, priesthood class is based around the proposition, it is starting to deterr members from even going to church. I TOTALLY see why the general presidency is asking for us to fight here in CA, but some of the members feel that it is just too much of shoving down the throught for them to handle.”

October 13: Sacramento Bee reports “[Mormon] Church members have donated about 40 percent of the $22.8 million raised to pass the initiative since July, according to Frank Schubert, campaign manager for ProtectMarriage.com, the primary backer of the “yes” campaign.” Some have said that this article, and the Mormon couple interviewed, was a “wake up call” to the No on 8 campaign about the depth of individual Mormon participation.

October 13: Idaho television reports about organizing by the Mormon church in their area to operate phone banks to reach California voters.

October 14: ProtectMarriage.com had raised just over $26 million, according to new data filed with the secretary of state’s office.

The Wirthlin Connection

October 17: ProtectMarriage started running new ads starring a Mormon power couple, the Wirthlins, with a famous name and high ranking relatives in the Mormon church (which is not discovered by the public until later, including that one was a church strategist in their battle against same sex marriage). Their story, one of the most powerful scare tactics used in the Prop 8 campaign, is later reported on with their credibility called into question by some neighbors who suspect they went looking for this battle.

October 21: Lowell Brown, husband of the “yes” side’s public spokesperson Sonja Eddings Brown, and himself an “Area Director” for the campaign, says on his blog that MormonsFor8.com numbers for Mormon contributions are LOW. “I see lots of individuals on the list whom I know to be members of the Church, but who haven’t been identified yet.”

October 22: Around this time, ProtectMarriage sends blacklist threat letters to No on 8 supporters, which is defended by Mormon Sonja Eddings Brown, spokesperson for Protect Marriage, and is later talked about on Dr. Phil.

October 22: A Mormon blogger reports, “the Church has added even more resources to its new PreservingMarriage.org website, which has a sleek resign that’s a little less conspicuously LDS, though still with the Church logo emblazoned at the bottom.”

October 24: Sonja Eddings Brown on Bill O’Reilly. Says, “Since the dawn of time and through many current studies, we know that children do best when they come from a low-conflict home with a mother and a father.” Such claims, uttered over and over during the campaign, outrage many authors of the studies because they do not apply to families with same sex parents.

October 24: Salt Lake Tribune: “LDS leaders have tapped every resource, including the church’s built-in phone trees, e-mail lists and members’ willingness to volunteer and donate money. Many California members consider it a directive from God and have pressured others to participate. Some leaders and members see it as a test of faith and loyalty. Those who disagree with the campaign say they feel unwelcome in wards that have divided along political lines. Some are avoiding services until after the election; others have reluctantly resigned. Even some who favor the ballot measure are troubled by their church’s zeal in the matter.”

October 24: Salt Lake Tribune states “literature written by Proposition 8 proponents is freely distributed in Mormon wards, giving the impression the church approves it, but much of it is “misinformation,” said Morris Thurston, an LDS attorney in Orange County. Thurston has circulated a point-by-point refutation to an anonymously authored document that has been widely disseminated by Mormons, “Six Consequences . . . If Proposition 8 Fails.” Thurston argues that most of its arguments are either untrue or misleading.”

October 24: A blogger states, “There seems to be a disconnect between that straightforward counsel being given by senior LDS leaders and the reality of what is happening on the ground in California.”

October 25: Media reporting that due to criticism, the LDS church pulls the plug on out of state phone banks.

October 28: Prop 8 announces $1 million matching donation by Mormon Alan Ashton, grandson of David O. McKay, President of the Mormon Church from 1951-1970.

 

November 2:  Mormons end services with “keys of the priesthood” prayer for the passage of Prop 8, an extremely unusual act that causes some controversy in congregations.

FINAL TALLY: Mormons are believed to have contributed anywhere from 40% to 77% of the money for Prop 8.

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18 Comments For This Post

  1. sam Says:

    You forgot Nov 5th. Mormon’s appeal for “civility” and mutual respect.

    The whole thing can actually be summed up like this: School yard bully taunts you for a year. School yard bully punches you and you fight back. School yard bully accuses you of bullying him and wonders aloud, “why can’t we all just get along”

  2. Teddy Partridge Says:

    Eleven years ago, when the Mormons and the Catholics were beginning their collaboration on what they then called HLM (Homosexual Legal Marriage) the Archbishop of Salt Lake City was George Niederauer, who recently succeed William Levada as Archbishop of San Francisco when Levada succeeded Joseph Ratzinger as Protector of Doctrine, the #2 job in Rome.

    http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/11/12/lds-documents-reveal-eleven-year-collaboration-with-rcc-on-marriage-equality/

  3. Brent Henderson Says:

    Marriage between a man and a woman, in which children are conceived and raised in rightiousness, is one of the core, deeply held religious beleifs of Mormons. The union of a man and a woman started with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Mormons beleive that family relationships are eternal and can continue beyond the grave.

    While others may not share these beliefs, and may see marriage simply as a civil right, is there no room for relious tolerance of others beliefs and values? Is ridicule ever an appropriate response to anyone with beielfs that differ from our our own? Does a person’s effort to protect their religious freedom justify hate and scorn? What’s wrong with a civil union providing all the civil rights in secular society while preserving the traditional definition of marriage as a religious right?

  4. admin Says:

    There is no room for any religion being imposed on anyone else. Take your beliefs and keep them to yourself. If you try to tell me about them, well, you already see what kind of response that gets. But, I will defend your right to have whatever crazy beliefs you do until I die. Just don’t cross the line and impose them on me.

  5. admin Says:

    You say “while others may not share these beliefs”

    Are you kidding me? How can you profess respect for other beliefs when you think your beliefs should be law?

  6. Brent Says:

    Who said anything about imposing religious beliefs on others or making them law? Civil unions in California provide all the civil rights that a marriage does. The gay mariage push feels more like the just the reverse — gays imposing their values on everyone else by making them the law of the land.

  7. Mr Mormon Says:

    I think the problem is that the state has gotten itself into what is essentially a religous institution. And I also think that people really misunderstand the church on the Prop 8 issue, they aren’t for taking away rights (although I do not deny that because of the YES vote rights were taken away), they’re solely focused on the naming convention.

    The gay community needs to go after the rights through civil unions. That is probably the best chance they have at obtaining full rights. And I would guarantee the church wouldn’t bother at all with it. But they don’t take that approach, why not?

    I’m just befuddled by Sam’s comment that we are taunting people like a bully. This issue keeps coming up in CA because the gay community keeps bringing it up through the courts, and it seems like it will never end.

    It’s strange to me that so much time would be wasted bashing a small minority for their stance on this issue. We only make up 2% of the population in CA. And I’m sure you know that their were several groups that voted overwhelmingly YES for the prop (Latinos, Blacks). I mean why doesn’t the NO crowd target the Black and Latino churches too?

    I live in the Bay Area, so I’ve been around this issue for quite awhile. I would be careful with the blog though, you’re probaly just going to get a lot of the LDS mad at you, and won’t change anyone’s opinion. It’s just more polarization. Anyways, bored at work, just a few of my ideas.

  8. Chino Blanco Says:

    Thank you, STM, for assembling this timeline.

    Per QuickSilver’s comment over at dKos:

    “if you want to make an argument, start with a timeline.”

    Kudos for a job well done.

  9. Chino Blanco Says:

    http://echols.info/No-More-Excuses.pdf

    Anastasia Niedrich: you rock.

  10. California Roland Says:

    You are missing the most important (and very public document) at the very beginning of your timeline. In 1995 the LDS Church issued its Proclamation to the World on Family Values.

    That document sets the tone for everything else that follows. Go look it up in either Google or Wikipedia.

  11. sam Says:

    Mr. Mormon:

    The truly sad part about your posts is that I believe you actually are that befuddled. TheGay people don’t want separate but equal “civil unions,” We’ve tried separate but equal in this country. Either we all get marriages or we all get civil unions. Besides, contrary to lies posted all over the Internet, including on this site by Mormons doing their church homework, you don’t really believe in even separate but equal civil rights for gays. Equality Utah called your Church out on them for Utah but evidently Mormons only believe in separate but equal rights in certain geographical areas. The Mormon’s God’s laws evidently are subject to human jurisdictions. Who knew? http://www.equalityutah.org/11-17-2008_Press_Release.pdf

    As far as being befuddled about Mormon’s bullying the gay community for years, did you not just read the timeline? I don’t really see much of it as gay people bringing it up in courts. Was some part of it wrong or missing that would clarify it all for us as not bullying? Were you never given the pamphlet “For Young Men Only” in your church, written by closet-case/homophobe, Boyd K. Packer? http://www.lds-mormon.com/only.shtml? Here’s a few choice quotes, we’ll start with the most interesting: “There are some circumstances in which young men may be tempted to handle one another, to have contact with one another physically in unusual ways. Latter-day Saint young men are not to do this.”

    Hmmm …. I’ve can’t think of a single circumstance in which I was tempted to touch a woman in any sexually intimate way … EVER. I always just thought it was kinda gross, which is normal for a homosexual, to be tempted both ways would make me bisexual and only towards women heterosexual. So what is is Mr. Packer?

    But here’s the more relevant one: ”There are some men who entice young men to join them in these immoral acts. If you are ever approached to participate in anything like that, it is time to vigorously resist. While I was in a mission on one occasion, a missionary said he had something to confess. I was very worried because he just could not get himself to tell me what he had done. After patient encouragement he finally blurted out, “I hit my companion.” “Oh, is that all,” I said in great relief. “But I floored him,” he said. After learning a little more, my response was “Well, thanks. Somebody had to do it, and it wouldn’t be well for a General Authority to solve the problem that way”

    Is it any wonder to you that one of Matthew Shepard’s killers was a Mormon Priesthood holder? It shouldn’t be. Next time one of your Mormon friends bemoans the “persecution” of Mormons on cites like this one, ask them when the last time they remember a Mormon being beat to a pulp and tied to a fence to die of exposure on a cold Wyoming night. That’s why we find you all playing the victim role now so repugnant … because it is.

  12. Mr Mormon Says:

    Sam-

    What a load of you know what!! You know that the guy who killed Matthew Shepard was Mormon only in the sense that he was baptised mormon. He wasn’t active and really had no affiliation with the church. Quit playing me and everyone else on this website for a fool. And by the way, when I was on a mission in 99, two missionairies were literally beaten to a pulp in Russia not far from where I was at. So don’t give the BS that it doesn’t happen, both of them died.

    And yes we do believe in equal rights. In fact I was watching the local news here (bay area) about the issue and a rep from the PR dpearment of the church said ON THE NEWS that we had no position on the rights of homosexuals, and that the ammendment was purely about the definition of marriage.

    But I do think you summarized the issue quite well in the first two sentences from the perspective of the gay community this issue is about status. But it is always portrayed as being about rights. It’s a neat little trick that is played, a kind of sophisticated bait and switch, and then if you don’t get your way call everyone who disagrees with you a bigot and get the courts to overturn the vote of the people of CA.

  13. chelovek Says:

    Mr. Mormon:

    Please compare the number of beaten and killed Mormon Cult missionaries with the number of beaten and killed gays.

    How many beaten or killed missionaries in Utah? How many beaten or killed gays in Utah?

    Mr. Mormon – get a clue!

  14. Mr Mormon Says:

    Go ahead chelovek, apparently you know all about this. Please post the details of any gays killed by those nasty cultists in Utah. There must be thousands of them since we hate the gays so much, right?

  15. chelovek Says:

    Mr Mormon:

    Obviously, you still don’t have a clue.

  16. chelovek Says:

    Mormon Guy:

    You picked out the one thing that is not the point and went for it.

    This is the normal way that Mormon Cult members choose to conduct a “conversation”.

    Either you completely missed that point, or, perhaps, you got the point and choose to do the typical Mormon Cult red herring thing in order to deflect from the actual conversation.

    Since you are determined to do the typical Mormon Cult Propagandist tool thing, it’s difficult to imagine how we could have a real conversation.

  17. sam Says:

    Mr. Mormon,

    Just a few questions.

    1. I was under the impression that Mormons baptize at 8, and give priesthood in two steps to males, one at 12 and one at 18. Is that true? Why would you try to portray Shepard’s murderer as someone who showed up to church once when he was 8 then had no further affiliation? Mormon dishonesty again?

    2. You really think the abhorrent murders of Mormons in a foreign country (Russia no less) trying to recruit people to their religion is somehow comparable to the regular beatings and murders of gays in America?!?

    3. Do you think if LGBT people went on recruiting “missions” to straight people in Russia they might get beaten, sometimes to death, just a bit more often, like maybe 100% of the time?

    4. As long as a bare majority agrees that YOU should not have equal rights, that would be OK with you? Would you asking for them anyway, even through judicial redress? Would that just be a sophisticated bait and switch for you?

    5. Are you admitting that Mormons are only in favor of equal rights geographically, like the Bay Area, where they are far outnumbered, but not in their strongholds like Utah? If not do you have any evidence that the Mormons will support equal (even separate but equal) rights for LGBT people in Utah? If so, you might want to let Equality Utah know about it, they’re still waiting for an answer. http://www.equalityutah.org/

  18. Sheri Lawson Says:

    Since my name is still on the records of the church, they finally tracked me down after my last move and I allowed the home teachers to come visit my husband and I (mainly so I could tell them how I feel.) The visit was going well until the older Brother (can’t remember his name) said he knows many gays, always treats them with respect, his realtors were a gay couple. But he would NEVER vote to allow them to legally marry. Why? No specific answer, I think the thought of gay sex just offends him. They invited me to attend church, which I think I’ll do, just long enough to hand my letter of resignation to the bishop. I no longer want my name associated with them in any way.

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