Prop 8: Did Mormons Go Too Far?

Posted on 15 January 2009 by Chino Blanco

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The Mormon church claims to have only spent a few thousand dollars on the campaign, but ANP has uncovered evidence that may expose a gaping hole in that claim.

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6 Comments For This Post

  1. Keith Says:

    I am LDS.
    I don’t agree with you, but thats ok, you don’t agree with me. We can have a civil discourse, and agree to disagree.

    I defend your right to beleive whatever you wish. I ask for that same right.

    I do have a concern.
    I am concerned by the backlash and targetting of the LDS church. I see this as easy scapegoating, and a rallying cry to your troops. If thats what you want to do, fine. I ask that you treat us all the same.

    I don’t see any backlash against the other faiths in california that did NOT support your position.
    How many websites are devoted to “stop the black baptist churches”? are there?
    “Stop the catholics”? nope, that website isnt around either.

    This is hypocrisy. You have chosen a target, and you are unfairly singling the mormons out, while people of many faiths in California did not support your position.

    I don’t see you rallying against the muslims?
    I dont see criticisms of the countles black congregations throughout the state, who supported and elected Obama, but rejected your cause.

    If you want to attack people of faith, go ahead. I just ask that you don’t be gutless about it, and attack them all.

  2. Chino Blanco Says:

    Did you bother to read the timeline here at STM? It’s titled “Latter-day Army: Details of Mormons & Prop 8.”

    FINAL TALLY: Mormons are believed to have contributed anywhere from 40% to 77% of the money for Prop 8.

    If you want to defend people of faith, go ahead, Keith. I’d just ask that you don’t be clueless about it.

  3. Sheri Lawson Says:

    It’s obvious when members of the church, like Keith, get offended when they are targeted for their contributions of both time and money to strip the gay community of equality, they don’t realize that’s what they are doing. Their minds won’t allow them to go there because they have been taught to be loving and kind and Prop 8 is anything but. So the thinking process stops at “I have to Protect traditional marriage and the sanctity of the family, because that’s what the prophet has instructed us to do, no matter what” Anyone who is conscious at all, who cares about their fellow man and has the pure love of Christ within them would never actively pursue hurting an entire segment of law abiding tax paying citizen. But here we are trying to preserve the constitution which is slowly being shredded because of homophobic ideas subliminally planted in innocent minds, and most aren’t even aware that’s what’s happening. Truly sad.

  4. Huh? Says:

    How can you all criticize the mormon church for campaining against what you all believe is right? Did the gay community not campaign in favor of Proposition 8? Therefore the Mormon Church has just as much right to attack the gay community for campaigning against what THEY believe is right. Why do you all get a pass to try and allow gay marriage and criticize their beliefs, yet you are so upset when they criticize your belief that gay marriage is ok? Stop being hypocrites.
    By the way, I also hear all of this nonsense about “stripping the gay community of equality”. In what way are you not already equal? Straight people have no more right to marry someone of the same sex as you. You have the same rights to a traditional marriage as everyone else.
    And another question: Do you all believe in evolution and Darwin’s theory of survival of the fittest? If so, how do you suppose that you are naturally homosexual? If it is genetic as many of you say, then why are there still homosexuals around. In its most basic form, the survival of the fittest argument states that beings who are the most able to procreate pass their genes on to future generations and the characterisitcs which prohibit beings from procreating become extinct to future generations. It is obvious that two men, nor two women can procreate so therefore this “gay gene” should no longer be in exisistence. And if you were born with this “gay gene” and therefore have no choice in the matter, we as people of religious bakgrounds can claim that we have a “Christian gene”, or a “anti-gay gene” so we have no choice either. Don’t “criticize and strip away our equality”, we are victims too.

  5. sam Says:

    Huh, First of all, you need to do some serious fact checking and self education before you go advertising your scientific ignorance on the web. The gay community opposed prop 8, it was the Mormon’s that supported it, then lied about how much they supported it … at least twice … necessitating amended their filing with the State of California twice (we won’t even start with the recently discovered activities in Hawaii). Secondly, name one legal right that any major gay organization has advocating stripping of Mormons. Just one. Even a Mormon’s right to legally practice polygamy again is cool with me (as long as you all stick with consenting adults.

    Now imagine that Mormons were stripped of a right, say the right to legally marry, and had to file two (or more) separate tax forms per family, all because my religion teaches me that God told my prophet that although we should love Mormons, the practice of Mormonism is a sin. As such, it should be stripped of all legal recognition and even met with violence at times (as long as you aren’t a a church leader, http://www.lds-mormon.com/only.shtml 10th paragraph from the end.

    Is that cool with you?

    Do you really believe in evolution?!?

    If so, can you fathom the idea that there may be natural advantages for children of couples that have gay relatives to help support and protect them? In other words, do you think maybe you don’t know all their is to know about genetics?

    When did you decide to be heterosexual?

    Are you aware that there may be more than genes at play (i.e. intra-uterine environment as shown with birth order studies) that effects a person’s sexuality?

    Would you consider yourself equally protected under the law if it only recognized your right to marry someone of the same sex?

    Religion IS a choice. Sexuality is NOT. Don’t take my word for it, ask the APA, AMA, American Academy of Pediatrics, or for that matter any medical scientist who studies sexuality … except the ones that may be fired for telling that truth at places like BYU.

  6. David Says:

    What is hilarious is that Mormons, who were literally hunted down and driven from the good old USA back in the 1800s for practicing another alternative form of marriage are now being attacked for upholding the one and only form of marriage that was allowed and expected of them back then. Perhaps anyone who supports gay marriage should instead support every form of marriage of any number and gender of consenting adults of any relationship. Who knows, maybe if the gay community came out in favor of a wider definition of marriage, one that includes polygamy, then perhaps the Mormons would join the cause. In the meantime, it is sheer hypocrisy, indeed it is bigotry, to call for one alternative form of marriage while still fighting against every other alternative form.

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